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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:09 pm |
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hey cleo,
if you really squint your eyes you'll see the saq kers...
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beltane
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:24 am |
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Cleo,
what is it you don't like with this formation? Is it to 'organic' for you?
I am really curious to know. As I wrote earlier here this formation means a lot to me but I have another belief in the origin of circlemaking than you. Don't you think ET will change his style to less geometric figures?
beltane
_________________ "These are the circles I'm moving in!" - Edina Monsoon
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:14 am |
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beltane wrote: Don't you think ET will change his style to less geometric figures? beltane
Sometimes I have thought that CCMakers are pure spiritual beigns who express themselves in geometric forms. If they change to less geometric figures would it mean that they are beigns more like you and me?. I mean not so "abstrac" beigns, not so "conceptual" beigns, so they would be more human beings, like ourselves.
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cleo
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:17 pm |
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beltane wrote: Cleo,
what is it you don't like with this formation? Is it to 'organic' for you? I am really curious to know. As I wrote earlier here this formation means a lot to me but I have another belief in the origin of circlemaking than you. Don't you think ET will change his style to less geometric figures?
beltane
BELTANE,I like formation, it has a good look to it,but as I said the SAQ BE image if that is what its meant to be is a little to "group specific".I have trouble believing that ET would single out a specific group with which to identify itself.The political/social tone of the SAQ BE group strikes me as being too provocative for an outside entity to use as an introductory message.
Now I have often said that we cant assume to know how ET thinks ,but if ET is about to make a stand on the planets general cultural weaknesses I think that we are going to have to see either a season ending or early next year CC relating directly to the SAQ BE but involving a much more complex design .
I could not and would not be surprised if ET expands on his designs and a case can be made for this type of offering but without a backup CC it has the smell of politics about it.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:01 pm |
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HI Cleo, Beltane
I visited this formation on the 9 August. Trust me, i've seen beautiful naturally formed nests and tufts, this was nothing but strangled wheat...the evidence of 'handy work' was everywhere, all that is now missing is ....where the hell did these people practise to get the central motifs looking kind of figurative, and detailed. Why go to such lengths if the result from the ground is so obviously tortured stems. I got photos but didnt want to waste space putting them up.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:22 pm |
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BEE wrote: HI Cleo, Beltane
I visited this formation on the 9 August. Trust me, i've seen beautiful naturally formed nests and tufts, this was nothing but strangled wheat...the evidence of 'handy work' was everywhere, all that is now missing is ....where the hell did these people practise to get the central motifs looking kind of figurative, and detailed. Why go to such lengths if the result from the ground is so obviously tortured stems. I got photos but didnt want to waste space putting them up.
BEE,excluding the center motif ,what sense did you get about the rest of the formation .
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BEE
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:09 am |
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Hi Cleo
The general conscensus of opinion between the people who were there with me was that the whole formation contained blatant man made characteristics, the wheat was still green in most places and where stressed these parts of stems and leaves had become almost white..as plank marks on stems become white..just imagine gathering up a handful of stems in your hands and making a knot ..it looked as though the sap flow had been constricted to the point were the stems whitened on stressed areas. In the laid rings there were board marks everywere tho the lay was fairly even. In a neighbouring field the harvrsted wheat had been stacked in the traditional sheaf form which resembled the tourniquet tuffs in the centre of the formation. It seemed as tho the people who made it had been inspired by these. In places in the rings phototropism had begun and stems were righting themselves so they hadnt been crushed to oblivion as witnessed in the Milk Hill hoax. This was not a happy formation, no energy, felt dead, and the centre motifs tho complex lacked that spontaneous feel and seemed self -conscious and prescribed.
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beltane
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:10 am |
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Still astonishing this formation, IMO.
If this formation is really man-made I would really love to know what 'motif' the people thought they made  Is it Saq Be, Lisa Simpson or just something out of mind?? I find it always very interesting what can be interpretet into a cropcircle! Different views, different interpretation and that is what is so interesting about!
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:28 am |
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beltane wrote: I find it always very interesting what can be interpretet into a cropcircle! Different views, different interpretation and that is what is so interesting about!
I agree Beltane, we all take different things from CCs and that is an interesting element to the phenomenon, even if it does cause conflict at times!
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:07 am |
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BEE,thanks for that summation.This CC could have been a new benchmark in CC world so it was good that you put it in some perspective.We all would like to see some practical indication as to what the CC mean so we must be careful not to leap before we look.
As PERSEPHONE says,it causes conflict but fortunately I personaly have been able to avoid this....  ....cheers
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:02 pm |
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BEE wrote: Hi Cleo
The general conscensus of opinion between the people who were there with me was that the whole formation contained blatant man made characteristics, the wheat was still green in most places and where stressed these parts of stems and leaves had become almost white..as plank marks on stems become white..just imagine gathering up a handful of stems in your hands and making a knot ..it looked as though the sap flow had been constricted to the point were the stems whitened on stressed areas. In the laid rings there were board marks everywere tho the lay was fairly even. In a neighbouring field the harvrsted wheat had been stacked in the traditional sheaf form which resembled the tourniquet tuffs in the centre of the formation. It seemed as tho the people who made it had been inspired by these. In places in the rings phototropism had begun and stems were righting themselves so they hadnt been crushed to oblivion as witnessed in the Milk Hill hoax. This was not a happy formation, no energy, felt dead, and the centre motifs tho complex lacked that spontaneous feel and seemed self -conscious and prescribed.
Did u notice the bend crop making tunnels and crop flowing underneath those tunnels? i got one word STUNNING!
quoting UK cropcircles...
"Tunnels:
Along with the swirls, these for me are the most impressive aspect of this formation. The crop has apparently been twisted and then folded or bent over to form a sort of archway. The reason I describe them as tunnels is that in many places there are lots of them in succession, and underneath the arches flows the rest of the crop from either side. Sometimes all in the same direction, but sometimes from both sides meeting in the middle, impossible to see! "

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edmundo dantes wrote: this is the kernel of the formation. Could anybody identify some kind of structure?. its a map in Asia (Tai wan). i am 100% sure about that. everyone please use google earth to search it.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:29 pm |
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 Looking back at this 2005 formation, it's clear that the edmund dantes' "kernal" drawing is just too crude to be used to "draw" an interpretation out of it. It was obviously meant to be pictured optically by aerial means. That said, it looks to me like there is a very active sun in the midst of having a CME. There are four other suns hanging about lazily to one degree or another and they're all in some sort of abstract space/time continuum. It's all very abstract so it probably has some abstract concept behind its creation. In hindsight, I don't recall any circles that have had as much intensively woven structure since this one. Maybe we've passed the "peak weaving point" in 2005. Coincidentally, also in hindsight, the world crude oil production seems to have peaked out in 2005 also.  Perhaps it's saying we've woven ourselves quite a birds nest I think we can safely rule out Saq Be or Lisa Simpson, and as for a map of Asia, it'd have to be a map of Asia's psyche  .
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:40 am |
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That was a very challenging formation. I'm glad it's been brought up here again. Thanks.
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